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Rentable Area vs. Outdoor spaces

Ken Faux
Imperial Construction Services, LLC
May 8, 2019

A 1st floor fenced in w/ gate outdoor patio is in out building and a part of the Tenant space. Is this area 950 sf and a small 350 sf 4th floor outdoor balcony considered to be rentable area? What chapter / paragraph is this definable in BOMA 2010?

Same question for BOMA 20017?

David Fingret
Extreme Measures Inc.
May 9, 2019

Hi Ken,

In BOMA 2010, none of these outdoor areas would be included. In BOMA 2017, the balcony would be included in Tenant Area and the 1st floor outdoor patio would only be included as Tenant Area if it was part of a Covered Gallery.

Thanks,
David

JJ
Xplor
February 24, 2023

In the most recent BOMA, are industrial properties with a loading dock for semi's with an awning/covering be considered square footage of the building and/or lease-able square footage?

Thanks,
JJ

David Fingret
Extreme Measures Inc.
February 27, 2023

Hi JJ,

The latest BOMA Industrial Standard includes covered loading docks in the rentable area, but the area needs to be covered by a Permanent Roof.

Thanks,
David

Nate
Prefer not to say
July 15, 2023

We are looking at a property where over 50% of the rentable/leaseable sqft is outdoor patio space.

We are in the process of negotiating the lease but the landlord is asking for 9$/sqft including the outdoor area which it is not really usable space for the business. (it is an unenclosed, open common area). On top of that, most of the nearby business/retail spaces available charge about 4$/sqft (Riverside, Ca)

I have three questions:

1. I understand 2020 BOMA guidelines include permanent outdoor patios. What would be the alternative? A temporary patio?
2. What defines a permanent outdoor patio?
3. Do you have any advice in negotiating the steep 9$/sqft price (which includes the large outdoor area)?

Thank you.

David Fingret
Extreme Measures Inc.
July 17, 2023

HI Nate,

Which BOMA Standard are you using in your lease?

Thanks,
David

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